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Racing => Solo (Autocross) => Topic started by: dale on October 01, 2009, 08:26:52 am

Title: ST next year
Post by: dale on October 01, 2009, 08:26:52 am
Well, after driving Stephen's ST Civic at Nationals, I had to start looking around for one. Just bought this one
http://http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/370110.aspx

Now, if I can only figure out how to get it home...
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: zeouljin on October 01, 2009, 12:54:49 pm
Congrats Dale
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: JimPerrin on October 01, 2009, 01:34:31 pm
You could always make Todd drive you down and drive it back.
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: Garick on October 01, 2009, 06:32:05 pm
nice, looks like a great st car.
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: lauzoncatdog on October 01, 2009, 08:32:40 pm
Suddenly, staying in H-stock seems much more appealing.....:)        jeff w.  FLR hs22
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: marnie on October 01, 2009, 10:35:57 pm
yay!!!
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: turnbuckle on October 01, 2009, 11:29:46 pm
WOOHOO!!!  Congrats.  Next year should be really fun.
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: turnbuckle on October 02, 2009, 12:21:15 am
I have an idea for combining all of the Street Touring classes in to one big indexed class. I would like to propose this to the Finger Lakes Region Solo board for the 2010 season and here are my thoughts.

Big classes are more fun. Anyone who has competed regularly in Road Tire will tell you that being in a big class with lot of people to compete with is more fun and more interesting then a small class.

Participation locally in the Street Touring classes is spotty at best. ST, STS, and STU all have an average of about 4 entries per event in 2009 FLR events. STX is higher with an average of almost 6 entries per event. All together the average comes out to about 17 entries. The addition of STR will probably take some time to catch on and I wouldn't expect to see a significant number of entries in 2010 or 2011. I would much rather compete in an indexed class of 17 drivers then compete in STS with 3-4 other drivers.

The impact on Registration and Timing & Scoring would very minimal, there would be about the same number of event and season trophies available to win, and the increased competition should lead to people pushing harder and upping their game every week in order to keep up with their rivals.

I'd like to know what other people think about this idea, especially those who compete in a Street Touring class, or are planning to in the near future.  Like, maybe if you just bought a nationally competitive ST car...
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: dale on October 05, 2009, 12:17:57 pm
Ok, here's my take --

I can't find any reason that ST, STS, STX can't easily run as a class. Since STR hasn't existed before next year, I don't know how that shakes out. If you index the classes, what do you use for STR? If you don't index them, I think ST/STS/STX is OK on a local basis straight up. There would be some course dependencies once in a while, but there are always course dependencies.

I think that you either have to put all of them together, or not. That is, you can't offer a choice, or you'll end up with a huge mess.

I also wonder why you would stop at ST, why not one indexed class for stock, SP, etc.? There's always a fine line to walk between too many classes and too many people that want to win, but can't.

So, Cory, overall, I like the idea, but whether we do it, FLR does it, or nobody does it, I'm still coming for you next year. :D
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: JimPerrin on October 05, 2009, 01:39:31 pm
Dale has a good point.  Let's say, hypothetically, you have a region that has a large number of people that will only compete in a class if they think they can win.  Now you just took them and moved them into one class where they are pretty sure they won't win.  We can't afford to have any smaller of a turnout than we have had at the last few events.

If you want a larger index class to compete against those with great driving skills, why not bring back the Pro class?
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: yeohbaby on October 06, 2009, 03:35:32 pm
:mrgreen:  ST (or whatever ST ends up in) is going to look quite different next year. Dale gets a competitive car - finally after putzing around in the ITR on street tires!  :lol:
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: turnbuckle on October 06, 2009, 08:40:47 pm
Dale, sorry for highjacking the thread.  can an admin split this into a new thread?
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: JimPerrin on October 06, 2009, 10:00:06 pm
I could, if anyone cared enough.  Start a new thread if you really want, or continue here - it really doesn't matter to me.
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: dale on October 07, 2009, 08:52:44 am
Quote from: "turnbuckle"
Dale, sorry for highjacking the thread.  can an admin split this into a new thread?

Nobody around here cares, feel free to carry on...
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: jvtoomey on October 27, 2009, 01:21:15 pm
BIG +1 for merging all of the ST classes if that will include STU.  All though the turnout for STU started growing towards the end of the year with Jim stealing peoples cars and those two new STI guys that came in late in the season.
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: dale on October 27, 2009, 03:30:53 pm
Hey, I'm willing to give it a try.

Any other ST anything class people want to comment?
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: JimPerrin on December 14, 2009, 09:53:48 am
This message was posted yesterday on the old board before I could disable it:
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Greetings from Colorado.

As one of the guys that helped create the PRO class we ran in WNY, it was a class for drivers that wanted to compete with each other in highly prepared cars, and it was really fun!

Part of the reason behind the class was to create the opportunity for others to have a chance at winning their class. We looked at the discouragement factor that could have happened from drivers that didnt want to/ couldnt get the car to the level needed to be ultra competitive against those who did/ could.

Would combining your classes create that kind of issue, where a handful of drivers would be far and away leading the pack event after event? Would others get discouraged and stop showing, working against what you were trying to achieve?

Just thoughts.

----------------------------------------------------
Tom Ernst
(In Semi Retirement)
But always open to a ride........
Title: Re: ST next year
Post by: brucejones on December 22, 2009, 04:26:31 pm
I agree with those that propose the resurrection of the Pro class.
Let the ST classes exist for the developing drivers even if you combine the classes into one.  Most of the new drivers come into the ST/SM classes.  Losing by 5 seconds is no fun for long.  The recession will continue through 2010 and Topeka has announced a higher insurance levy to boot.  Let's get creative and aggressively market the Solo product.  WNY needs new site while we are at it.  Finally WNY needs to communicate better within the region and out to the competitors.
Rant over.  Whew.

Bruce
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