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Solo (Autocross) / WNY-SCCA Novice School, May 22nd ECC-N
« on: May 05, 2011, 11:12:30 pm »
This is going to be a little bit different than our normal events.
  • one "run what you brung" class, yes timing will be going to measure the students' progress
  • no course work for students (or very little)
  • easy to read main course and a figure 8 in small lot
  • no "sea of cones", if a cone isn't relevant to driving the line then it doesn't belong on course
  • not going to take up the whole day

Yes, this is the same day as the NYSpeed BBQ, and we are aiming to get students 10+ runs by 1:00 p.m. (more seat time than a normal auto-X)....

8:45 registration and vehicle tech open.

9:30 registration close/drivers meeting

9:45 novice course walk

10:00 first car off, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, providing the best newcomer experience, giving students a bunch of runs, without worrying about sending them to work and keeping them in the car as much as possible, not have them there for a full day.

1:00 free lunch for course workers and instructors

1:30 runs for course workers, instructors, paid fun runs for students
If you are not sure, come to the this Sunday, May 8th event and check it out.

Pre-registration will be limited to 40 drivers.

Cost is $30 members / $35 non.

As the title states, we need instructors and course workers for novice school.  

Do to an outside event the novice school was scheduled on the same weekend as the NJ Pro so we will be short handed.

Free lunch for all volunteers,
and of course you'll get some runs in too.

What qualifies an instructor:
 Are you a veteran, can you read the course, and explain it, are you consistent (not necessarily ultra competitive), are you confident in giving instruction, and most importantly are you brave enough to ride around with these kids these days.

What qualifies a worker:  Can you chase cones, help with grid, helmets, do you want to miss out on instruction portion of the school?

We will rotate the workers so you will not be stuck out on course for 3 hours.

Solo (Autocross) / Re: Questions about Novice School
« on: May 04, 2011, 09:15:35 pm »
We are still working out some specific details, cost should be $30 members / $35 non.

If someone is coming from FLR please see if you can bring the loner helmets, this would be a HUGE help in ensuring that the event runs smoothly.

Solo (Autocross) / Re: 2011 WNY tentative schedule
« on: March 09, 2011, 08:02:04 pm »
Quote from: "Jephro"
Are you guys planning to do a TnT the day before event #2 at Seneca?  If I can do anything to make this a possibility... I could help out as needed.

Yes, however the date is subject to change as it conflicts with FLR's event 1.

Solo (Autocross) / 2011 WNY tentative schedule
« on: March 07, 2011, 03:07:59 pm »
April 16/17th Event 1 SeAD (Saturday T&T, one course, novices welcome)
May 1st Event 2 OOR FLR RIT
May 8th Event 3 ECC-N (mothers get $10 off)
May 22nd Novice School ECC-N
May 29th Event 4 OOR FLR SeAD

June 12th Event 5 ECC-N
June 26th Event 6 SeAD
July 10th Event 7 ECC-N
July 24th Event 8 OOR MBR Lake Erie Speedway
July 30th & 31st Event 9 Divisionals SeAD

August 14th Event 10 OOR FLR Seneca
August 28th Event 11 ECC-N

September 18th Event 12 ECC-N

October 2nd Event 13 ECC-N champagne run
Other dates of interest:
May 20/21/22 the Pro Solo at The Meadowlands
June 3/4/5 the Tour at Dover
June 4th & 5th STPR
July 1/2/3 the Tour at Toledo
September 10th & 11th Funday Nelson Ledges *

*not an official event, we've asked before about having a PDX event, and it seems like there is interest, but we will piggy back off of Nelson Ledges existing Funday program, just a good time to get everyone together and hit up the track.  There is in depth instruction Saturday limited to 25 drivers.

General Discussion / Re: Drift events?
« on: March 04, 2011, 11:47:00 pm »
Quote from: "JimPerrin"
No, the SCCA does not sanction any "drift" events.

when should we tell the Northwest Region?

or the New Orleans Region? ... a8&t=27037

I was going to post this sooner but I was waiting for more information on thier website.  Anyways the website has a lot of TBD.

We are going to down to do the 6 hour enduro.

I asked him what is up with the Hot Laps...

"$10 for 5 or 6 laps with instruction, you want to go again, $10 more"

Autocross same thing, pay as you go.

"look man, we're just trying to get this thing off the ground, we're not going to turn anyone away, we're flexible."

No you don't have to show up early for a driver's meeting.


Auto Cross car control at its best. TIME TBD Watch the regions most skilled drivers, or join them, and compete against the clock as well as other drivers.
Drifting Demos Not for Everyone, an event designed for people with tire dealerships as sponsors.
Karting Not just for kids. BeaveRun karts hit 48 MPH and only one inch off the ground.
Parade Laps (all ages) Driving Ms. Daisy, well not exactly, nice low-speed - no helmet required for these laps.
Hot Laps (in your car) Drive your car at 7/10 with an experienced instructor beside you.
Instructor Rides (our cars) maybe more than 7/10's, this time the instructor is driving our car, like he stole it!
Flashlight Drags (your car) The Original Flashlight Drags, Heads up 1/8 mile drag racing, "Street racing without the jail time!"
OctoberFest (your car) Car Show and more. All makes, over 40 classes.
DJ and LIVE Music
Track Food (nothing like it) plenty of it!

Any questions...

Michael Schindel

I'd say try to make it to the track around 11 am if you want to do hot laps, but as the site says TBD.

Garick, Jon Wolff, Ken Cavanaugh, and myself will be at the track all day.  If you want to meet up....


Club Racing / $60 PDX, Nelson Ledges 5/15 & 5/16
« on: April 25, 2010, 07:19:32 pm »
Mahoning Valley Region SCCA
Performance Driving Experience
This event will be held in compliance with the 2010 SCCA Time Trial Rules

Basically you get some classroom, 2) 20 minute sessions with instruction, and get to watch some racing in between.  If you are not a SCCA member you can do the weekend membership thing for an additional $15.  IMO it's a great deal if you have never done track events or just want to check out the track.  Probably not that attractive to the person that's been there a bunch of times looking for tons of track time.

If you are course working the price is $30 per day. ... dsupps.pdf

Solo (Autocross) / Re: anyone know what business this is?
« on: March 12, 2010, 04:43:03 pm »
Yeah, I saw that too, the best I can figure it is an overflow lot for new car dealers.  So who knows how/when it is used...

Solo (Autocross) / Re: Skid Pad for Karts and Others
« on: February 03, 2010, 01:01:50 pm »
Looks big enough for cars, but can it handle parking for 60 cars, some trailered cars?  Logistics of course in and out? ... 2&t=h&z=18

Possible novice school with 15-20 driver cap per session?  Do two 3 hour sessions in a day?

Club Racing / For Rent: Winning 24 Hours of LeMons car
« on: January 27, 2010, 09:22:32 pm »
*** This is not definite, but the deadline is approaching and we need to get a feel if we can do this or not.***

17-18 April 2010
American Irony (Detroit MI)
Gingerman Raceway, South Haven MI

Practice April 16th

We would like to do it pretty close to an arrive and drive, you will likely have to do refueling.  This is what you get; ... an-victory

Past performance does not guarantee future results.

Cost is $500 and covers gas, soggy cold cuts, greasy grilled food, warm beverages. +$250 entry fee ($750 total)

For comparison read:

The wheel to wheel time is about 15 hours so expect at least 3 hours of seat time with 5 drivers.  I will be the last driver out to make sure everyone else gets more seat time. Plus any practice time on Friday.

I'm going to be lazy and not go into a bunch of detail so post up questions.

Rally / Re: FLR RallyX 1/31 @ Perry's Park
« on: January 25, 2010, 12:40:53 pm »
Car pooling to get to event.  Say Transit park and ride.

Rally / Re: FLR RallyX 1/31 @ Perry's Park
« on: January 25, 2010, 11:09:31 am »

car pooling?

Solo (Autocross) / Re: "Bracket" PAX class
« on: January 07, 2010, 06:04:15 pm »
I guess I don't understand the concern for "breakout".  If someone does too good they just need to raise their PAX for the next event.  In my opinion that is better than "punishing" drivers for doing the wrong mods to their car and making them run in a class that they can not be competitive in.

I don't think sandbagging will be an issue because drivers will not know what the overall PAX time is until the event is over and final results are tallied.  Besides, I don't think the average driver is consitent enough to sandbag it just right.

I would like to keep the target as 2nd place overall PAX because that would give a fairly consitent target, and let drivers that choose this class know what PAX they need to use from event to event.  The smart thing is to aim for 5th in PAX.

What if the "rabbit" cones every run?  Having a consistent target (such as Dale or Dave) would allow drivers to know what PAX allows them to run at the top of the field.

I was thinking it as a year long championship class.  I do like the idea of it as a supplemental class with cash as well.  

Say whoever set overall PAX get 25% if they put in $5, otherwise they get nothing.  The five closest to overall PAX gets 25%, 20%, 15%, 10%, and 5% (either over or under).  The driver that wins overall PAX is not eligible to win "bracket" PAX.  

This is starting to grow on me, one driver gets money for being fast for his car preparation, five drivers get money for dialing in a good PAX respective to the fast driver.

Solo (Autocross) / "Bracket" PAX class
« on: January 06, 2010, 06:50:13 pm »
“Bracket” PAX Class proposal.

This class is for drivers to apply an index based on level of preparation and driver skill to compete with other drivers using same PAX handicap class.  This would apply to cars that are modified to the drivers liking and not to the SCCA rulebook.  This would also encompass road tire class.

For example Paul Vandenburg’s swapped NA Civic is by definition a SM car.  However, is it fair to compare to Andy Walker’s supercharged Civic.  There is an obvious difference in car capabilities.  To compensate, instead of running SM PAX of .867 Paul could run something closer to DS (Integra Type-R) PAX of .819.  Furthermore if he chooses to run a street tire instead of R-comp he can lower his dialed in PAX to .800.

How do you prevent a driver from creating a low PAX just to jump up to the fastest index time?  Here’s the catch; NO DRIVER IN THE BRACKET PAX MAY BEAT A PRO OR REGULAR CLASS DRIVER FOR 1st PLACE OVERALL PAX or they will incur a 10 point penalty.  This is to encourage running the highest PAX index possible.  

Confused?  Let’s try a real world example.  Using results from Event #7 ECC-N.

Felix Lopez is a regular and is pretty consistent but is limited by his 300M.  Obviously this is not a ringer car for HS.  So he dials in a .71 PAX.

Jason Sears comes to a couple events now and then and with the GTO hypothetically can’t justify spending money on R-Comps or an all out 200 tread wear ultra performance street tires and goes with a 300 tread wear high performance street tire.  So based on that he is not a regular and has set-up slower than a national level FS car he dials in a .78 PAX.

Jeremy Washburn loves to drive crappy Sentras and shows up with a gutted and caged car that would normally fall into DSP.  But the car isn’t built for DSP has blown shocks, stock exhaust and mismatched tires.  He dials in a .75 PAX

Raw and PAX time results are:
Felix:         43.699        PAX: 31.026
Jason:        41.213        PAX: 32.146
Jeremy:                 40.579        PAX: 30.434

Jeremy has the fastest PAX time, but beat Chris Morton’s PAX of 30.794.  Felix has the fastest time without going over and is the winner; 101 points.  Normalizing to that Jason gets 96.52 points, Jeremy gets 98.09 points – 10 points for going over = 88.09 points.

Next event drivers dial in a new PAX.  I’ll let Jim chime in on this but for ease of use PAX numbers should be two digits from .70 to .86 (anything higher is SM).

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